Yesterday, the following comment was submitted on this post from November concerning fear of children in Britain [1]:
Someone obviously needs to re-read Lord of the Flies.
On a more prosaic level, I’d argue that people’s feral, shrieking little carpet apes — oh, excuse me, Precious Darling Children — are a great argument for doing as many errands online as possible.
My first impulse was to delete the comment. Then I realized that it is a perfect example of the sort of casual dehumanization of young people that the original article highlighted. I am therefore going to use this as a teaching moment: an opportunity to explain a few things about why I believe the hatefulness that adults like b.g. feel free to express toward children in our culture is not acceptable.
The casual dehumanization of children is one of my research interests as a master’s candidate in history; it is something I am both fascinated with as an historical and political phenomenon, and passionately opposed to in practice. Children are people. As someone who is opposed to hatred and fear of any group of people based on innate characteristics (skin color, ethnic background, sexual orientation, gender) it appalls me how acceptable adults find it to express hatred and fear of children based solely on their age, or for behaviors that can be traced back to their developmental abilities. I see this among a wide range of adult populations, from feminists to Christian fundamentalists — it’s a form of bigotry that is in evidence across the political spectrum.
In part, I believe that this intolerance of young people is one symptom of the way, in modern culture, we have ghettoized many people who make us uncomfortable, or whom we perceive as an inconvenience. Those who slow down our over-burdened lives with their complicated needs or awkward social behavior. People whom, by their very presence, raise uncomfortable questions about our own values and our competence in a complicated, competitive society. People who are mentally ill, physically disabled, people who are struggling with poverty and old age. People who are made vulnerable by circumstance make us uncomfortable. As historian Gerda Lerner writes, in her book of essays Why History Matters [2]: “All of us, ultimately, will join one of the most despised and abused groups in our society–the old and the sick” (17). We would do well to remember, as well, that we all began life as members of a similarly vulnerable and dependent group: children.
This is not to argue that children are innately better than adults. Children are human: ergo, they are capable of human cruelty [3]. That is not the question at issue here. The question here is why people such as b.g. feel perfectly free to refer sneeringly to young human beings as “feral . . . apes” in a public space (this blog) when presumably, they would not feel free to make a similar remark about a black person. Or if they did, they would be held accountable. I have seen on countless feminist blog threads, self-identified feminists who are outraged about hateful speech directed toward women and other groups turn around and use offensive language to speak about the children.* Feminists have long argued that ostensibly “positive” ideals about women and femininity are just as dehumanizing as outright misogyny. Both obscure the complex humanity of the individual person before us. Similarly, characterizations of children as “precious little darlings” or “shrieking little carpet apes” are two sides of the same coin: neither recognize children as persons worthy of our respect. Yet as a culture, we have been reluctant to recognize these parallels.
I have read Lord of the Flies, William Golding’s novel about marooned British schoolboys who resort to terror and violence in the absence of external social structure [4]. Lord of the Flies is a commentary on the nature of humanity more than it is about the innate character of children or the particular environment of childhood. Remember that the boys who have been shipwrecked in Golding’s book are not, in fact, free of socialization: they have already lived upwards of a dozen years in families, and in a British boarding school, in which adults have taught them quite thoroughly what is to be expected from them as human beings. I would argue that the book demonstrates quite well the violence that has been done to these children previous to the shipwreck, in addition to offering a chilling reminder of the sort of evil that all of us, regardless of age, are capable of.
Language matters. Language can affirm the humanity of each individual being on this planet, or language can create a climate in which individual people — or groups of people — become easy to discount or view as unworthy of love, kindness, respect, or understanding. I will not be deleting b.g.’s comment because I think it offers us a valuable example of exactly the kind of hatred children in our lives experience on a daily basis. But let me be absolutely clear: from now on, anyone who leaves a comment on this blog using language like “carpet apes” to describe people whose sole “offense” is their youth will have their comments deleted. You may disagree with me that children constitute a marginalized group in our society. You are welcome to argue your point in comments with pertinent examples and other evidence. You are welcome to use strong language to express your feelings. You may not resort to insults. If the language you use would not be acceptable as a way to describe racial or ethnic groups, women, or queer folks, I will consider it similarly unacceptable as a way to describe young people. Because children are people too.
*It is important to recognize that many feminists do not use this language of dehumanization when speaking of children and youth, and in fact there are countless feminist activists and organizations who have placed the well-being of children and adolescents (regardless of gender) at the heart of their work. My argument here is that alongside this work there still exists a consistent current of hatred and fear directed toward young people, and that feminists are not always willing or able to see the applicability of their critique of inequality in other arenas to a critique of discrimination based on age.
I would have liked to have read this post in its original form. If it needed editing, as I gather it did, some indication that it had been edited should have been given. Nothing wrong with rethinking a few things and updating to reflect that; bloggers do it all the time.>>Bridget, the way you’ve responded to Angel is condescending as . . . ah, HECK. Sometimes people react that way out of defensiveness or anger or the urge to defend a friend or what have you, but this–this, if you’d written nothing else:>><>So tell us what it’s like to be black in America. That we have yet to understand (although I think we do, but <>I’ll play along with this game)<><>>>–this indicates a problem on your end that goes way beyond anger and defensiveness and having someone’s back. That problem, surprise surprise, is exactly what the women of color criticizing this post and your arguments said it was. Because you know something? It’s not a game. And generally speaking, < HREF="http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/whatcard.html" REL="nofollow">only white people think there’s a race card and that it’s something people of color get off on playing<>.>>So, no. No, I don’t think you understand “what it’s like to be black in America.” That you’d even suppose you could, especially while you’re in the midst of telling Angel to speak like this, don’t speak like that, make your argument this way, and oh p.s. tell me what I demand to be told <>even as I accuse you of doing so for duplicitous game-playing reasons,<> is pretty galling.>>I hate that I would have liked this post but for the initial offense and its aftermath. It’s even a great discussion (well, minus bg, whose comments sound like they needed deleting) right up until Bridget comes back at Angel. If that is the kind of discourse privileged here, forget it! I can go back to fangirling over Angel, Daisy, and La Lubu at their own blogs.
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<>I would have liked to have read this post in its original form. If it needed editing, as I gather it did, some indication that it had been edited should have been given.<>>>Just to clarify, Ilyka, this post is still in its original form — I just added another post on the same theme to my blog (the link above). >>Angel H. & Bridget, I agree with Angel that it is < HREF="http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/the_meme_that_will_not_die_blacks_enabled_prop_8_to_pass/" REL="nofollow">not productive or accurate to blame African-Americans for Prop 8<>. This post was never indended to be a place where various types of discrimnation, marginalization, and hatred were judged for relative value. Prejudice and privilege are much more complicated than that.
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Anna,>>I’m sorry if my statements came off as “blaming” blacks for the result of Prop 8. I wasn’t making a proximate cause argument, or anything having do with the closeness of the vote tally; my intention was to point out the cognitive dissonance in supporting one civil rights cause (and doing so out of a complete understanding of how important it is) while <>literally simultaneously<> voting against another.>>My understanding of third-wave feminism is that it encompasses not just well-off white women, but also issues of poverty, race, sexual orientation, and the like (recognising that all discrimination springs from the same root of denying human dignity to people). Libertarianism (small “l”) is supported by similar arguments. That’s why statements about “appropriating” civil rights movements rub me the wrong way; it implies a legitimacy of one movement, but not another. >>Ilkya,>>Do not attempt to evaluate the soundness of my psyche over the internet. Telling me that I have “issues” and “problems that go way beyond…” is condescending, cruel, and as dehumanising as it gets. >>Question my arguments all you want, or my logic or reasoning or what I present, but please do not strip away all human dignity and presume to know my mind, and deem it unfit.>>I have treated, and will continue to treat, Angel in one way, and exactly one way: the manner in which I would treat a white person who makes similar arguments. >>Somehow, though, that will be “racist,” and you and Angel and others will fail to understand that white people, who haven’t a racist bone in their bodies, get really bloody tired of being called racists.
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As for the “race card”:>>1. No group is immune from wrongdoing, since they are made up of humans who occasionally screw up. To suggest that blacks never, ever play the race card is just as ridiculous as suggesting that whites are never, ever racist. >>2. The difference between consciousness-raising and playing the race card is that the former can be substantiated. That’s why, when the issue of racism is brought up, I ask about it. Otherwise, I’m never going to know; I’ll know that something is apparently wrong and offensive, but it will remain an entirely subjective evaluation, not something that can ever be understood nor applied to other situations.>>So Ilyka, you read it backwards. .
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<>white people, who haven’t a racist bone in their bodies, get really bloody tired of being called racists<>>>I just want to point out, Bridget, that <>all<> of us, by virtue of being born in a racist culture, are vulnerable to being racist, however unintentionally. As many people on this thread have pointed out, as white women we don’t–and can’t–experience racism in the same way as people of color. That doesn’t mean we can’t engage in a conversation about what’s being read as racism and why — but we shouldn’t assume our actions and words are entirely unimpeachable just because we don’t mean to be offensive. >>As a general comment to all of you, I am still reflecting on and trying to engage with some of the issues you have raised about my original and subsequent post on marginalization of children. Thank you.
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Anna,>>You make a wonderful point. I did not mean to suggest that anyone is unimpeachable; I was actually trying to get at the opposite point.>>My issue with being called a racist is pretty simple: the history of racism is so ugly and horrible that using that term is incredibly harsh. >>The ironic part in all this is that if you understand and appreciate the racism that has occurred in this country, you’ll also understand why calling someone a racist (or even making that implication) is a pretty heavy accusation. >>Sexism, while still an ugly thing, wasn’t nearly as bad as the history of racism in America. Yet, I do my best to not throw the “sexist” label on men who unintentionally say or do something that is based on a male norm. From a totally pragmatic standpoint, no one wants to listen to it, and you can practically hear the circuits in their brains shut off. More than that, anyone who is of good will is more than happy to listen and to hear your perspective. If it’s presented as, “Hey, did you ever think about it this way,” as opposed to, “You sexist idiot” (or the functional equivalent thereof), the person is absolutely going to listen. >>Maybe we differ in what “racism” means to us. To me, it cannot be separated from the ugly connotation of Jim Crow, slavery, and a wholesale denial of human rights to members of our society.
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Anna thank you for your comments and for clarifying your position.>>Bridget:>>Wow. So much to learn. So little time.>>Since Anna responded to my queries and I don’t want to derail any further, I’m going to suggest that you do a little – er, A LOT – of reading on the subject of racism and white privilege in this country. And while you’re at it, take a good, hard, LONG look in the mirror. Fair warning, though, you might see something that you don’t like.
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You’re a complete dolt. Spawn is a technical term-children are spawned by their parents. It’s like the word offspring, sire, or any other biological term for child. I didn’t call them hellmonkeys, for goodness sake. >>You have too thin a skin to be on the internet posting opinions if you take offense to spawn. Perhaps it’s best to quit while you’re ahead.
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Suzy, >>The fact that a term is technically correct does not stop it from being used in a derogatory manner. < HREF="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spawn%5B2%5D" REL="nofollow">Spawn<> is first and foremost a term used for fish and amphibian eggs — not human young. And given that my original post was <>all about<> the use of non-human metaphors to talk about children, your comment was ill-considered at best and deliberately insulting at worst.>>My offer is still open if you would like to post any sort of substantive commentary on the original post or any of the subsequent discussion. If all you are interested in doing is complaining about the moderation of my blog, I’m not going to accept further comments from you.
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Angel,>><>And while you’re at it, take a good, hard, LONG look in the mirror. Fair warning, though, you might see something that you don’t like.<>>>Babe, let’s make something clear: the character assassination has gotten old, fast. I don’t know where you get off making moral judgments about me, simply because I had the temerity to question you. >>When I look in the mirror, I see a woman whom I like and respect. That’s the result of values and toughness. Now, in your world, those are bad things, because people who are intellectually inquisitive, principled, and disciplined can’t be cowed. >>This isn’t about racism or consciousness-raising; it’s about a power trip to see whether or not the white people here are going to feel guilty enough about what their ancestors did to bow down to you. >>Sorry, but I don’t hold unearned guilt as my god, and the basis for my actions are values and objective facts. You’ve refused to present the latter; you’ve made huge, sweeping claims, and, when asked to – gawd forbid – explain it, thrown “white privilege” around like beads at Mardi Gras. >>Sorry, Angel, but there are no bills of attainder in this country. >>Not cowed. Standing upright. Pissing you off because I have the temerity to question a black person. RAAAAAAAAACIST!>>[throws up in mouth]
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Bridget, >>I realize that both you and Angel H. are responsible for the tone of your back-and-forth about racism . . . but I would appreciate it if you would not further derail this thread by using it as a platform for personal attacks. Your comment embodies the very same sort of disrespect for another person’s point of view that you’re accusing Angel H. of displaying.
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